Friday, September 22, 2023

The Generations

 


This is a 4-generation photo. I am the little girl on the left. My Mother, Madelyn Jaynes Brock is next, beside her my grandmother, Della Mae Alexander Jaynes and my great-grandmother, Olive Ellen Martin Alexander Robertson. My mom and I always called Olive, Grandma-Mom. I'm not sure why, but that is all I knew her as. I found her terrifying.  She was a bit cold, sharp and believed a child should be seen not heard. So, I was a very quiet child when in her company. 

The photo was taken at my house. I do recognize the background, but this fact is set in stone with this photo. My mother is the only one that does not have that purse on her arm.  That purse was over-worked, heavy, stiff, leather and all the rage that year. We had a leather place in the county, and everyone had one. Grandma-Mom and Grandma have theirs on their arms. My mother had one as well and she would have it on her arm if we were not at home. I had a matching billfold with my name pressed into it. Sorry, I lost it. It was so stiff I couldn't get money in it anyway, so I lost nothing of value. Phew.  By the way, I'm unlisted in case you find it.

Olive married William Hays Alexander in 1902.  In the 1910 census, William and Ollie Alexander and the first 3 of their children are in a rural area of Jennings County, Indiana. William is listed as a farmer like his father was. He was not happy with that and soon moved his family to Seymour. In the 1920 census, William and Ollie Alexander and 6 of their 7 children are on Glen Lawn Road. This is a small area that was just beginning to be built up. Now it is just a small neiborhood of Seymour called Glenlawn. William repaired automobiles, Ollie stayed home. 

In the 1930 Census, Olive L Alexander was 48 and widowed, as William died in 1928. The L should have been an E as her name was Olive Ellen, though she was always called Ollie. She was living on Euclid Avenue in Seymour, Indiana, and working at the Shoe Factory. She still had 4 children at home, Lucille, Opal, William and Norma, but her married son, Merrill, lived right down the street with his wife and daughter. Her son William, called Bill, was 10. This is interesting because living just around the corner on Noble Street. was a 4-year-old Lois Plumber staying with her grandmother, whom he would one day marry.  I wonder if he ever met Lois as a child. She was a wonderful person. 

Olive married Frederick C. Robertson, "Fred", in 1934.  Fred was warm and nice. Introvert marries extrovert.  Warm versus cold, nice versus mean, light versus dark, oh, never mind. I've noticed it happens a lot, though. Anyway, in the early 1960's Fred contracted TB and was put into a sanitorium. While he was gone Olive had a stroke in the night and could not get to the phone for help. She wasn't discovered until the following day. As soon as she was able to speak clearly, she ordered her lawyer to her side and divorced Fred, getting her name Alexander back. She said she was not going to die as a Robertson. She was going to die as an Alexander. So, 12 years later, in 1975, she did. I don't know why she felt that way. 

The first time I saw a message about any of my family in the late 90's on the RootsWeb Mailing lists was a question about why Olive was buried as Olive Alexander when she was married to Fred Robertson. So now you know.

Now, she will probably haunt me. 



Fred and Olive can be found in the 1940 and 1950 census in Seymour, Indiana. Fred died in 1965 in Salem, Indiana.
There are photos on this blog with Olive and William Alexander and Olive and Fred Robertson. Just search for 'Olive'.
I miss the Mailing Lists on RootsWeb. FB is not the same.


Saturday, September 16, 2023

My Heart Is Broken

 This year on 9-11, September 11, I lost my Mom. I'm trying to go on, but, you see, I knew her longer than anyone else in my life.  I knew her for over 69 years.  I lost my dad in 2006, so I have some experience with terrible loss.  But this is different. Now my rudder is gone, I have no wind in my sails. I feel dead in the water. I have been so lucky to have her for so long and I know I must go on, life continues. I know she is free of pain now. But still, my grief is so profound, I cannot but get lost in it for a time.



Madelyn Marie Jaynes (Brock, Kiser)
June 26, 1935 - September 11, 2023


Tuesday, September 5, 2023

What I Know For Sure

 


If I thought I would have it easy researching Geoge Washington Joyce, I was so wrong. Besides cleaning up the mess I made, I needed to find the Joyce family. I found that naming children after George Washington was a thing in the Joyce family. There are a million of them in North Carolina and Virginia. Seriously. So many of them moved on to Indiana, spreading their craziness around. What I know for certain is tiny compared to what I don't know. But I at least know something. I think. John Martin isn't that scary now(:

What I know:

-George Washington Joyce was born in North Carolina between the years of 1805 to 1807. This according to his age listed in census records 1850 and 1860.

-His wife is listed as Jane Sharp/Sharpe in the death certs and some marriage records of the kids.

-Have full list of his living children as per 1850 census. 

-He died before 1870 census. 

-This family started in North Carolina, not Virginia. They ended in Craig Township, Switzerland County, Indiana.

-These are my second line of Scots/Irish ancestors.

-The other George Joyce family is in the northern part of Indiana, while my George is in the southern area. (different migration path)

-They migrated to Indiana between 1832 (Agnes birth) and 1836 (George Washington Jr.'s birth, see?? Another one.)

What I don't know:

-Exact BMD (Oldest listed child is Robert born in 1827[sourced]. Marriage of George Joyce and Jane Sharp is at least a year before that. Maybe? Not found yet.) 

-Parents of George. I'm looking into a Samuel that many trees have him listed as father to George, but no documentation, not close to being able to say yea or nay yet.  

This is going to take a while as the water is still muddy but it's getting clearer. One good thing is that I did not feel confident enough to add this family to WikiTree. My Joyce ancestor, Agnes Joyce Hines [Joyce-475] is the only Joyce I've added there. No cleaning required.

I've found that I like searching at FamilySearch more than at Ancestry. Cleaner results, easier to pinpoint what you are looking for. Yeah, Ancestry has more, but for the basics FamilySearch is it. 

I ran into a great Joyce Family Research site. Lots of information. If you are researching the Joyce family, you should check it out. 

Alexander and Thomas Joyce Family Research 

I'd like to thank Foxymom who helped by fixing the FamilySearch tree.